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to be a hero, and I didn’t mean to be stupid, either. I had these predictive models
and I guess I just wanted to know if they were accurate.” She knew she’d gushed-out a lot of information, but she was nervous.

He nodded a kind of exaggerated nod, and said, “OK
so, you’re a believer in terms of the intelligence-led policing approach?”

“Yes, I am. I mean, it’s not a substitute for police work
it actually depends on police work, and then may augment police work
but yes, I do.”

“And, I take it that Larry Gruber wasn’t too enthusiastic about your models, am I right?”

This time she actually laughed. “That’s an understatement
what’s with him? I wasn’t trying to tell him how to do his job
I just had some information that I thought he might could use.”

“I don’t know what to say
guess that’s just Larry being Larry. He’s a good detective
” he said, and tapered off, and Jillian assumed that he didn’t want to say anything bad about his colleague.

“Someone said he was moving toward retirement and wanted to close one last case. I understand that
it’s just that
he was insulting. He made it as if this was about gender or technology
and that somehow both were a bad thing.”

”Yeah, it’s hard for some people to change. I imagine back when Larry was hired, Tempe PD was a different world from what it is now. Look at you, a civilian employee who’s using computers, a woman, and an ASU grad student. You’re threatening to the Larry Gruber’s of the world. But then, you know that because you’re studying women in policing.”

This freaked Jillian out a little
how’d a detective know things about her? It must have shown in her expression because he made a calming gesture with his right hand, and said, “The story was in the paper. And, I did a little homework.”

“Why?” Jillian asked, and stopped abruptly, causing the detective to have to stop and then take a step back toward her.

She figured he’d say, ‘why what,’ but he didn’t. Instead, he gave her a straightforward answer. “The Chief wanted me to talk with you.”

“Am I in trouble?”

“Absolutely not.” His next comment was out of the blue. “Ever given any thought to being a police officer?”

Jillian’s jaw literally dropped and at first, she was at a loss for words. Finally, she said, “Not really, no. Why?”

“For several reasons
all of them good,” he said and again made a calming motion. “You considered fact-based data
armed with the data, you went through channels
you presented your results to Gruber, as ordered. When he blew you off, you kept at it, even figured out a list of possible targets. That shows brains and determination. And you went there, and, when the action started, you went toward it. That’s instinct, and in my world, that’s a good thing.”

“Well, I don’t know about any of that, but honestly
I don’t even know how it all happened. I was watching the guy rob a wine shop, totally freaked, and then somehow I was standing in front of him.” She held up her hands, at a loss for words.

“That’s what I mean—instinct. Most people don’t have that, Jillian, and, I’m not sure it’s something that can be taught.”

“Whatever
but everyone—The Chief, Lt. Timms—they all say that this was a mistake. Actually, the Chief said it was foolhardy
and my mom agreed.”

Webb chuckled. “And yet, there you were
.and you captured an armed robber. Look, Jillian, I’m not saying it’s a good thing to be an iconoclastic cop like Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop, you know, with the Captain yelling at you all the time. Don’t get me wrong, I like Eddie, I like Beverly Hills Cop. I just think there’s a difference between being problematic
a maverick, and acting like you acted.”

“Thanks, I guess, Jillian said, and they started walking again.

“Tell me, what were you thinking as Neely attacked you.”

“Well, with judo, you practice these moves, again and again, but at the same time, you get into a peaceful zone
where you’re both thinking and not thinking
if that makes any sense?”

Webb nodded silently, then asked, “Were you scared?”

“Yes,” she answered and nodded. “Especially afterward.”

“Good,” he smiled again, “that shows that foolhardy was accompanied by common sense
it’s good to be scared. And yet, you still acted
again, instinct.”

They walked without speaking for ten seconds or so. Then Wes said, spoke. “You said that you believed in intelligence-lead-policing
how did you end-up in the Research Division?”

“OK, I’m sure you know that Lt. Timms is working on her PhD at ASU
in Justice Studies.” Wes nodded that he did, and she continued. “Well, we have the same advisor: Professor Carolyn Patek. She introduced me to Linda, who hooked me up with women police officers across the Valley. I’ve been interviewing them, and Linda, too, for my research project. A few months after I interviewed Linda, a position opened-up in the Research Division, and she encouraged me to apply. Of course, I had to go through a set of interviews and a background check, but once I was approved, Linda officially offered me the position, and I accepted.”

“Any qualms about taking such a position? Not everyone wants to work with a police department, especially some people in the university.”

Jillian exhaled, nodded, and said, “Absolutely
I thought about it
a lot. I discussed it with my parents, with Carolyn
Professor Patek, and with several friends
some were fellow students, although mostly it was with non-grad student friends. So, I guess I did have some qualms, yeah. But, you know, the other factor was
well, money. ASU doesn’t typically give master’s students assistantships or stipends, anything like that
most of those go to the doctoral students. So, the Research Division job was a way of paying my own way through grad school. It was a good salary
with benefits, and it gave me even better access to police women
besides, it was interesting work.”

“Given the business with Neely, you must be pretty good at it. Are you OK with working for the police?”

“I think so, yeah. In some ways, it’s almost like taking classes at ASU...I actually did have

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