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and headed upstairs.

Jillian turned back to Wes. ā€œI hope thatā€™s OK. There are a couple of things I want to ask herā€¦about Professor Siemens AND about Professor Keefer. I thought I could double back here after the demonstration. And, after I talk with her, Iā€™ll text Grace Wilson. By then, she should know who the new chair of English will be. I donā€™t know if thatā€™s relevant, but stillā€¦ā€

ā€œAll good, Jilly. And after the demo, Iā€™ll head back to HQ and talk with the Chiefā€¦sheā€™ll want to be in the loop. Iā€™ll also call Al to see if thereā€™s any scuttlebutt on Davidosā€¦as a womanizerā€¦really, on any front. Al is usually an ā€˜in the knowā€™ kind of a guy. Iā€™d like to know whatā€™s what before we schedule a follow-up interviewā€¦because, I suspect that this will generate some push-back. Iā€™m not saying we shouldnā€™t re-interview Davidosā€¦just that we want to get our ducks in a row first. Sound like a plan?

ā€œSounds like a plan.ā€

ā€œBy the way, Professor Szabo, whereā€™s she from? I couldnā€™t quite place the accent,ā€ he said, as he tugged at his earlobe.

ā€œYes, I knowā€¦itā€™s hard to pinpoint. OK, well, sheā€™s originally from Hungary, but went to grad school in Franceā€”Paris, of courseā€¦ā€

Wes laughed, ā€œWell, of courseā€¦ā€

She smiled and continued, ā€œAnd this is interesting, Wesā€¦sheā€™s of Roma heritageā€”her dad, I think. She also lived in Spain for a while. I know she speaks Hungarian and Romani. But, sheā€™s fluent in a bunch of languages.

ā€œRomani, wow, thatā€™s interesting. Howā€™d she end-up at ASU?ā€

ā€œI know some of the answerā€¦but some is only hearsay.ā€ She took a big sip of tea. ā€œOK, several years ago, a few really well-respected scholars started writing about what they called ā€˜Southern theory.ā€™

Wes gestured that he didnā€™t understand.

ā€œSo, most scholars whoā€™ve written about society, about government and politicsā€¦whatever, have been from the northern hemisphereā€¦the US, the UK, France, and so onā€”and really thatā€™s what theyā€™re writing about as well. Anyway, it was a big deal when some scholars started writing about theorists from the southern hemisphere, people whose ideas and research were about those regions.ā€

Wes nodded that he understood, so she continued. ā€œOnly problem wasā€¦almost all of the southern theorists these men wrote about also were men.ā€

ā€œOops,ā€ Wes said.

ā€œExactly. Anyway, what ZZ didā€”Professor Szaboā€”is that her doctoral dissertation was about southern theoriesā€¦from WOMEN in those regions. ā€œ

Wes asked, ā€œAnd this was a big deal, why?ā€

ā€œWell, in the first place, because she did it at all. She gave voice to some amazing women theorists whose voices had not been heard, at least not in the northern hemisphere. And second, she did a phenomenal job of it. She was thorough, she was thoughtful, and she discussed agreements and disagreements among these theorists, and, she contrasted them with the southern male theorists.ā€

Jillian ate her a last bite of her sandwich, took a sip of tea, and used her napkin. ā€ZZ pretty quickly turned her dissertation into a book that was originally published in French, then translated into English and other languages, too, I think. She won a lot of academic awards for the book.ā€

ā€œAnd thatā€™s when ASU hired her?ā€

ā€œNot yet. As soon as she earned her PhD, Wellesley College snapped her upā€¦the book was published about the same timeā€¦and translated into the other languages.ā€

Jillian continued and was very demonstrative with her hands. ā€œThen, almost immediately, she published a companion volume, an anthology of articles actually written by many of these southern hemisphere women. But, this was more than just a compilation of articlesā€¦ZZ introduced each theorist with a discussion that put them in perspective. It was very originalā€¦like her dissertation.

ā€œI take it that youā€™ve read these books?ā€

ā€œYes, I had a graduate seminar with her, and we read them then.ā€

ā€œBut, when does ASU enter the picture?ā€

ā€œWell, this is the part thatā€™s more gossipy.ā€

ā€œIā€™m all ears,ā€ Wes said, and rubbed his hands together. ā€œTalk on.ā€

ā€œItā€™s my understanding that President Davidos heard ZZ speak at a conference, and he was really impressed. So, he set out to hire her. He had someoneā€”a VP, a Dean, I donā€™t really knowā€”put together a very attractive offer for her. Sheā€™d only been out of graduate school for maybe three years, and Wellesley had already tenured her and promoted her to Associate Professor, so, ASU promised her a quick promotion to full professor and a fairly large salary, which they justified by offering to make her the head of a humanities methodology center on campus. ASU could pay her a larger salary by making her an administrator, right?ā€

Wes nodded. ā€œAdministrators get a calendar year salary, not the 10 month salary that most professors earn.ā€

ā€œYes, exactly. Exceptā€¦ā€ Jillian paused for emphasis, ā€œZZ said no. She would not be an administrator. Someone told me that when ZZ turned-down the offer, she told ASU that Americans were fixated on being administrators. And get this, Wes, she cited Mick Jagger as her source for this criticism.ā€

Wes laughed so hard that he choked on his tea. When he finally stopped coughing, he said, ā€œI love it.ā€

ā€œThought you would. Anyway, ZZ declined to be an administrator, but said that to come to ASU, sheā€™d still want the salary that was originally offered, which threw a lot of people into a tizzy.ā€

ā€œAnd yet, she is here. What happened to break the log jam?ā€

ā€œThe U of A.ā€œ Jillian held up a hand before Wes could speak, and continued. ā€œApparently, President Davidos had cooled on ZZ when she declined the administrative post...untilā€¦ā€ she paused, then continued, ā€œā€¦he heard that the U of A was actively recruiting her. As soon as he heard that, he waved his presidential wand, the original offer was reinstated and she was hired...on her termsā€¦the higher salary, without the administrative duties.ā€œ

ā€œItā€™s the Territorial Cup,ā€ Wes laughed again.

ā€œI donā€™t understand,ā€ Jillian said. ā€œWhatā€™s a Territorial Cup?ā€

ā€œOK, every year, ASU plays the U of A in the last regularly scheduled football game of the season. And, the winner of the game is awarded the Territorial Cupā€¦you know, our status before becoming a stateā€¦The

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